This interview was conducted on February 13th, 2019, by:
Tahsin: Do you expect there to be challenges to setting up precision medicine in a country like Bangladesh?
Tahsin Tabassum, Tasmin Tabassum, Ridwan Hossain, Maliha Tanjum Chowdhury, and Jabale Rahmat
Juniors at the Schools of Life Sciences
Independent University, Bangladesh
Published on April 3rd, 2019
Dr. Nazneen Aziz, Ph.D., the
President and CEO of Variant Genomics, Inc. Variant Genomics provides expert
advice and guidance for implementing clinical genomic testing and precision
medicine research in the community health care systems in the US as well as in
developing nations. She is the former Executive Director of the Kaiser
Permanente Research Bank and Senior Vice President and Chief Research Officer
at Phoenix Children’s Hospital and the Director of Molecular Medicine at the
College of American Pathologists (CAP). Dr.
Aziz has held executive leadership positions in the biotech/biopharma industry.
In her industry career, Dr. Aziz focused on personalized medicine, biomarkers,
genetic tests, and development of drugs for cancer and diabetes. Prior to
joining the biotechnology industry, Dr. Aziz was an Assistant Professor at
Harvard Medical School and Boston Children's Hospital where she discovered new genes
and their role in polycystic kidney disease. She currently holds Adjunct
Professorships in the School of Life Sciences at Arizona State University and
in the Department of Child Health at University of Arizona College of Medicine.
Dr. Aziz received her Ph.D. in Molecular Genetics and MS in Biochemistry at the Massachusetts
Dr. Aziz received her Ph.D. in Molecular Genetics and MS in Biochemistry at the Massachusetts
Institute of Technology
(MIT) and her BA (Honors) in Biological Sciences from Wellesley College.
She has several issued
and pending patents. Her publications have been cited extensively in the
medical and scientific
literature and she has been invited to speak at numerous national and
international
conferences.
During a visit to IUB to conduct a highly informative and engaging seminar on precision medicine, Dr. Aziz graciously agreed to be interviewed by some of the students from the School of Life Sciences for the HERE BE DRAGONS blog. The following transcript of her interview contains amazing advice for students and early career scientists thinking about going into industry, as well as numerous insights on genomics and precision medicine, and the prospect of using such technology in Bangladesh.
Maliha: For
someone who was in academia, how was the transition into industry? What are the
similarities and differences you experienced between the two?
Dr. Aziz: A very
good question. In my experience, as a faculty at Harvard Medical School for 8
years, I was completely independent. I had my own funding and my own lab while conducting
research in discovering new genes and their functions in polycystic kidney
disease. I loved interacting with my lab team – students, technicians,
post-doctoral and medical fellows. We were one team and working the course of
action that were my labs research objectives. I loved that independence, the thrill of discovery
research from large victories to small successes. For example, the euphoria that comes with
discovering a new gene associated with a devastating disease to the simple joy
of running a successful electrophoresis gel. So really, there is great
satisfaction and contentment in academic research. However I realized that if I
stayed in academia for a very long period of time my focus would become too
narrowed into my own specialized field. I wanted to make a contribution to healthcare
and not just be highly focused on getting another publication that may or may
not translated into products or that would impact human health in the near term.
This area of research is called translational research and it had a strong
appeal for me. I decided to move into
the biotechnology industry which was growing rapidly in Cambridge, MA in early
2000 with spin-off companies being created from MIT and Harvard.
The biggest difference between the two worlds- academics and
biotechnology- is that the research that you conduct in biotech is not solely
determined by you but it follows the company’s greater goals and objectives. However,
because I was in a leadership role in my biotech/biopharma career, I did have
the authority to delineate the scientific and technical strategy of the company
and the research direction. And I really think that my industry career has helped
shape my strategic thinking and built my business acumen. I think the biotech
industry experience has broadened my horizons as well. My discoveries and
publications of my academic research were
certainly important contributions to the scientific community. However, the
products that you create whether it is a drug or a genetic test ---things in
the research and development realm or in the translational research realm in biotech
have a more immediate impact on human health. It is a gratifying experience.
Maliha: Students
completing undergraduate and Master’s programs in fields like Biochemistry and
Microbiology often want to go on to do basic science research in academia. How
do you attract or recruit such people into the industry instead? And if you
have to convince them, what advice would you have for them to succeed?
Dr. Aziz: I think
academic research is a great choice for some but others may choose to go into
biotechnology/biopharmaceutical industry to develop medical devices, medicine,
genetic tests or consider a healthcare profession that could range from being a
medical doctor to a medical technologist, genetic counseling etc. However, the opportunities for these
alternative careers has to be readily available. In Bangladesh, I am not sure
how developed the biotech and health technology industry has become. Industry leaders should open up internships
in their organizations for students. Graduates of the life sciences should
certain try to do internships in these alternative career paths to see if that line of work appeals to them
or not.
Maliha: Does your
company currently have any collaborations with any academic institutions?
Dr. Aziz: Yes,
indeed. Variant Genomics’ business is to
advice and provide guidance to help community healthcare organizations in the
USA to implement precision medicine in the care of patients. That involves keeping
very deep connections with numerous academic professionals as well as the
biotech/genomic healthcare industry. My company uses a number of consultants in
these different sectors for various projects. Precision medicine also referred to as genomic
medicine has been growing and evolving at a rapid pace. This excitement has
attracted many from the academic sector to seek opportunities in the precision
medicine industry. There is an intense
appeal of this burgeoning and cutting-edge diagnostic technology that requires
a merging of research and clinical care. In the USA, there are many examples of how academics,
healthcare and genomic industries are working closely as there has been a keen awareness
that it takes diverse skillsets to deliver the benefits of genomic technologies
for patient care.
Maliha: How much
experience would a student who completed their Master’s degree in biological
sciences need in order to work in companies like yours?
Dr. Aziz: It
really depends on the position you want to hold in those companies. For
example, if you want to be a medical technologist, you would need to learn how
to operate cutting-edge instruments such next generation sequencing machines.
The same is true for bioinformaticians who would need to be proficient in next
generation data analysis. Interpretation scientists to understand and create
knowledge databases. Therefore, I would
say that for these entry level jobs, one would not need too much previous
experience other than internships and learnings through coursework in the
Master’s degree since they would receive comprehensive training on the job.
Jabale: Doctors have not traditionally been trained in genomics. How might doctors and medical professionals in Bangladesh and similar countries be trained on the use of genomics and precision medicine?
Dr. Aziz: This is one of the bottlenecks in the implementation of
precision medicine. Even in the US, doctors do not get intensive education or
training in medical genetics in their medical curriculum even though in recent
years that has changed. With genomics bursting into the clinical care scene
around 2010 it is a bit overwhelming for doctors everywhere, not just in
Bangladesh, to understand how to approach it. As you know, genomics is based on the concept
of genetics except that it involves a much greater volume of data. Most physicians do understand that this new field
is coming close to home and yet they don’t have the time to learn a whole new
science which leads to certain level of fear of the unknown. Therefore, there
is a great need for companies like Variant Genomics and other genomic companies
to develop tools, services and products to make it seamless and easy for
doctors. All physicians need to do is to understand the power of genomics in
patient care by educating themselves. They do not need to learn the
complexities of next generation sequencing, data analysis and interpretation
but that they should be aware of where to order genomic tests for the care of
their patients.
In the USA, there is the
requirement for medical doctors to take Continuing Medical Education (CME). CME
can be fulfilled in a variety of ways, for example, attending a medical or
scientific conference, taking an online course. It is important for Bangladesh
to consider something of this nature so that doctors can keep up with the new
research and new advancements in medical knowledge and how they can implement these
new advancement in healthcare in patient care.
Jabale: How often do you find Single Nucleotide Polymorphisms
(SNPs) in non-coding DNA regions like satellite DNA or any other repetitive DNA
that actually are associated with disease?
Dr. Aziz: There are 3 to 4 million variants within individual
genomes. The majority of the SNVs are in non-coding areas. The monogenic diseases
(more serious types) are due to SNVs or structural variants that are
generally found in the coding regions of the genes. These SNVs tend to disrupt
the protein code and so they are rarer in frequency in the human
population.
Many of the variants in the
non-coding regions are benign. Recently, there is a greater appreciation
regarding the role of noncoding SNVs in complex genetic diseases, e.g.,
hypertension and type 2 diabetes. Complex
genetic diseases are a different category of genetic disease than the monogenic
(Mendelian) types. More and more research is leading to our understanding that SNVs
in non-coding regions of our genome are associated with complex genetic
diseases. For example, if a SNV happens to alter a gene regulatory motif in the
promoter region, or in enhancers within introns and in intergenic spaces they
can aberrantly regulate the expression of the gene which can lead to disease. ENCODE was a big project funded by the NIH that
investigated the function of non-coding regions of the human genome.
Tahsin: Do you expect there to be challenges to setting up precision medicine in a country like Bangladesh?
Dr. Aziz: Perhaps it is important to emphasize that precision medicine
is not as difficult as the name suggests. A simple way to think of the field of
precision medicine is to call it genomic medicine-- a specialized field that
utilizes a new high throughput and cost effective DNA sequencing technology,
called next generation sequencing to analyze a patient’s DNA. The DNA analysis
provides insights in to the patient’s disease and how they should be managed
based on their genetic profile. There
are molecular diagnostic labs in Bangladesh that does simple genotyping and PCR
tests. Precision medicine or genomic testing is just a much large scale version
of singe gene analysis.
Certainly, there will be some challenges in the initial
phases of setting up clinical genomics in Bangladesh, especially since the
higher education in the new field of human genomics in this country is somewhat
lagging behind other developing nations. However, a challenge is always an
opportunity. I would find it exceedingly satisfying if my efforts can help pave
the first steps towards implementing precision medicine in healthcare. What my
company, Variant Genomics, intends to do is to make genomic tests easily
available for patients in Bangladesh. These tests are being used in many
aspects of clinical care. For example, in cancer, NGS tests can identify and
match targeted drugs for patients. In pharmacogenomics, tests can identify if
patients will have adverse reactions to certain medications. In inherited
disease, NGS identify the genetic causes of diseases.
Bangladeshi healthcare systems have implemented very complex
technologies such as MRI, CAT scans, PET scans including complex surgical
procedures and therefore it would be a natural evolution for Bangladesh to develop
the field of precision medicine next. It would give patients access to genomic
tests that are routinely being used elsewhere in the world. I do not think it
would be enormously challenging to bring this genomic testing technology to
Bangladesh especially since India, Thailand, and other developing nations have
already implemented genomic testing in healthcare.
Tahsin: Do you
think doctors attending seminars and conferences are enough to help them
understand and execute precision medicine?
Dr. Aziz: It is
not enough, but it creates awareness. The
physician will be aware that there are better options than chemo and radiation
for their cancer patients. They will
know the right questions to ask when they come across patients who are
suffering from genetic diseases or patients who respond adversely to many
medicines. Doctor don’t need to understand how to conduct the genomic test but
just be aware that this new technology exists and where to order the test. The
reports for these tests lay out the interpretation of the results and guides
the physicians with knowledge available on how to manage the patient based on
their genetic profile.
By going to conferences and seminars, physicians become aware
of the latest advances in medicine and diagnostics. Wouldn’t you want your doctor to provide you
the most effective medicine or the best test available in case you were the
patient being treated in Bangladesh?
Tasmin: Is there
anything related to genomics that you are working on currently in Bangladesh?
Dr. Aziz: I want
to start with bringing awareness that genomic testing labs are needed in
Bangladesh. Hospitals and diagnostic
labs are well aware that patient samples are being sent abroad for testing in
large numbers.
My goal is to bring this technology to Bangladesh and to
spread awareness that inherited diseases and cancers can be due to ethnicity
specific mutations. Therefore, there is a huge need to bring this technology to
this country in order to look at patient’s genetic profile from the context of ethnicity.
Ridwan: If
precision medicine was to become the norm, that could lead to a contraction in
the market for individual drugs. How will pharmaceutical companies handle this?
Will the drugs become more expensive because they are for specific people and
not everyone can use it? In the long term, will it become a problem?
Dr. Aziz: This
argument of shrinking market size for a drug is now proving to be without merit
and had raised concerns for the pharma industry initially. Pharmaceutical companies have traditionally
tried to create blockbuster drugs which will make them $1 billion annually
called “block buster drugs”. They have had very little success in marketing
blockbuster drugs in recent years, so the industry is becoming very aware that
they need to adopt a different approach.
I look at the
precision medicine area with optimism.
Incorporating precision medicine will
allow pharmaceutical companies to manufacture and sell many more classes of medicine.
There will be subgroups of patients who will match medications because
these drugs will actually work in that
group of patients and a simple
genomic test can find that match. Wouldn’t we want to know if the drug is
actually helping the patient or that it can harm the patient? Pharmaceutical companies actually do want
their drugs to be efficacious and to lead to fewer adverse events. In the US
and in Europe, they are now doing clinical trials and investing genetic markers
of people who respond or don’t respond to new investigational drugs during the
development phase.
Regarding the price of these targeted drugs for cancer,
there are over 200 or more that have been approved by the FDA and over 650
drugs listed that have a pharmacogenetic associations and it has not led to any
significant increase in pricing or availability. It is just a safer and effective
use of drugs for patient care.
Ridwan: Will the
availability of these drugs all around the world be an issue?
Dr. Aziz: Targeted
oncology drugs are becoming available all around the world. Pharmaceutical
companies market their drugs all over the world. If an effective medication is
there it will ultimately make it to patients around the world.
Ridwan: What are
you currently finding out about the possibility of using precision medicine in
this country?
Dr. Aziz: I am
exploring whether healthcare and academic leaders understand what precision
medicine is all about. I am actually happily surprised to see how receptive
they are to implementing this technology. I think Bangladesh has gone through
some remarkable achievements in recent years and has now been classified as a
middle income nation. With the expanding middle class there is also greater
expectation of the population of access to better healthcare– drugs that are
efficacious and diagnostics that can precisely identify the cause of the
disease. Therefore, Bangladesh is poised
to implement this powerful technology because
it is cost effective in the overall scheme.
Ridwan: A recent population
genomics study showed that African-Americans showed more elevated inflammatory
responses to pathogens than European-Americans as a result of differences in
their genomes. Can you explain to our readers how precision medicine can help
to more effectively treat diseases that occur differently between populations?
Dr. Aziz: I am
not aware of this particular study you mention.
In general the more we understand about genetic differences in health
and disease in different ethnic groups, the better prepared we are with that
knowledge to manage patients of different ethnic groups.
Ridwan: Could
studying the differences between different ethnicities lead to more
discrimination?
Dr. Aziz: It is
good to study genetic diversity. It shouldn’t lead to racial discrimination
with the proper regulatory framework in place. In the USA, there is a law
called GINA (Genetic Information Nondiscrimination Act) which was passed in
2003. Every new technology needs
appropriate policies in place. Genetic differences among patients with
different ethnicities should only be used for maximizing its benefits in their medical
care. In the USA and Europe researchers have focused
genetic studies heavily with European Caucasians recruits and therefore at this
time we have realized that we do not fully understand genetic diseases in
minority populations. Therefore much effort is being expended for equitable
health access and in studying the minority populations in the USA through the All of Us program initiated by President
Obama. It is just as important to develop understanding here in Bangladesh of
the genetics of the Bengali populations.
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